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OKAY WHEN DID MURDER RAP , TIMBERLAND AND HOODIE RAP BECOME REAL RAP???? AND WHY??
HEY IM NOT TRYING TO START NOTHING BUT I HEARD JIM JONES MOTHER ON THE RADIO TALKING THE OTHER DAY THAT CONSCIOUS RAP WAS THE REAL RAP. HOWEVER I DO REMEMBER CONSCIOUS RAP BEING PART OF HIP-HOP BUT I ALWAYS HEARD WHEN I WAS KID GROWING UP IN THE LATE 70'S AND 80'S , RAPPPERS ALWAYS RAPPED ABOUT A NEW DANCE, OR HOW MUCH MONEY THEY HAD, OR EVEN RAPPING ABOUT X-MAS???? WHEN DID REAL RAP HAVE TO BE ABOUT SOMETHING CONSCIOUS ALL THE TIME??? AND WHEN DID MURDER RAP COME IN???? I'M JUST ASKING. BY THE WAY HERE IS A RECORD I HAD WHEN I WAS ABOUT 7 OR 8 THAT I PLAYED TILL IT BROKE....SUPERRHYMES WAS PRE-SLICK RICK.
Tags: HIP-HOP, JACK, KNIGHT, SONGWRITING, SUPERRHYMES
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Permalink Reply by Kamille B on -
Honestly i think rap today and from backin the day is the smae..but its all about how you present it back in the day u didnt have many throwin money in da air and wavibg there gun around and thats why old school rap is looked at begin CONSCIOUS rap its just not as flashy as it is now
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Permalink Reply by ALICIA S. SMITH on -
Conscious rap is just that... Conscious rap. The only person who can determine what is real rap, is the rapper. I don't feel like anyone can judge others rap. I don't like all that I hear... but I know what my preference of Rap is. And that in my opinnion should be everyone's take on Hip Hop. Yeah... maybe this isn't how Hip Hop was started... but I'm not mad... cause we all still eating. And if we can dance and eat (make money)... then let's do it! I didn't feel like that years ago... but I got over it. Had to open my eyes.
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Jack, thanks for posting this. I love how you've exposed me to an artist that I NEVER EVER heard of. And he said my word... "Savoir-Faire"... he was flowing like shyt... I can see how addictive this record must've been... he never stopped spittin... all his lines were cool, fun, relatable... great pieces of a record... and wonderful pieces of you!
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Permalink Reply by msK on -
i love this old style ! yeah - sweet & hot
- talking about what's 'real' rap i'm afraid many rapstyles are real eventhough they do not always express the positive side !
but ofcourse the word 'real' is mostly used as a positive thing !
- i'm afraid the new aggressive rap is also a real & true picture of how many young people feel inside !
... a change in the rapculture - -
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Permalink Reply by ALICIA S. SMITH on
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I couldn't agree more with you MsK!
msK said:i love this old style ! yeah - sweet & hot
- talking about what's 'real' rap i'm afraid many rapstyles are real eventhough they do not always express the positive side !
but ofcourse the word 'real' is mostly used as a positive thing !
- i'm afraid the new aggressive rap is also a real & true picture of how many young people feel inside !
... a change in the rapculture - -
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Permalink Reply by Jae Enfluwnze on -
Murder, Timbaland.Hoodie rap became the status quo of real rap when it was broadcast to the masses as the being "the Trend". When groups like main source, stetasonic and brand nubian,native tongues (Queen latifah,delasoul,TCQ)came out .Their music was the music of the eceletic or " hip hop head". Though many of the groups had commerical appeal, they are still associated with being conscious. In essence, rap is conscious in reporting real issues that we experience daily. Everyone has been harassed by the cops and said "fuck the police" just like Ice T (who is now acting as a cop), Ice Cube and N.W.A. .Everyone has know a known a bully while in school i.e Beanie Siegal or Kool G Rap; some emulate that type of character or simply relate to the music because that is their reality. While others aspire to be Jay-z or Nas and make a conscious effort to obtain type lifestyle. Conscious is to be relative to life and that is rap.
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Permalink Reply by ALICIA S. SMITH on
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Kudos for "BRAGGADOCIOUS!" Totally my dude Mario!... ;x
Mario J. Hassell said:Man, that's on point...I have this argument all the time...I cannot stand when peple be like Nas and Common and Talib Kweli is REAL hip hop...they are a form of hip hop...crews didn't form talkin about what was wrong with the hood and society...they were too young for all that, real talk...they didn't really care...hip hop was a form of youthful expression and was very boastful and braggadocious...I hate when we as black men want to strip away "street cred" cause someone aint shot 18 people on his album...Or because an artist doesn't feel moved to share his philosophy on the world on wax then he's not deep or "real"...It kind of sucks what we train our young men to think is cool...I heard a comedian say (and this really happened to me when I came home from college) but, black people are the only people who would throw a party for someone who's coming home from jail and not for the one who's coming home from college...that's really my whole point for wanting to do music...it's so many different examples of cool and I'm so glad I'm gonna be a new artist while we have a black President because it's so many sterotypes that are going to just get smashed if we all do our parts...we as artists have accountability for every little thing we put out there...it's the same for the young ladies...now Video Phone is a hot song, but is Beyonce gonna be there to console the "black girl lost" who doesn't have a real example of a Proverbs 31 woman and is now getting scandalized at school cause she done let some knucklehead record her doing God knows what in his phone trying to be Sasha Fierce and he's showing it all around...not at all, and she done made off with the little girl's money...that's why if you notice I really don't write too many songs about sex and even when I do it's like the lead up to...some things only the adults in the room need to understand...that was the "new fun" of music for me cause now I hear the older songs my parents used to play and I be like "Oh, that's what they were talking about?!?!" Everything from like my teen years and up has been very explicit...I'll just say it, but I think it sucks that adults who have children can still groove to and support a pediphiles music (no names, but that was him, real talk...I'm from the Chi...all those stories go waaaaaaaaaaaaay back and it's stories that never really left the city) and he just refuses to apologize and that flys because in the "black world" all you need is money and you get a pass...I know I just went all off the topic but to me the state of music is really similar to the state of the economy...it's some attitudes that need to be changed and we who carry the annointing of psalmists are the one's God has in position to do it...we have to be serious and genuine about where we come from...wheter you "tryna kick knowledge" haha! (sorry no offense love Jigga!), you on some party stuff, or you talkin about the streets, don't glorify an incorrect attitude about any of it...and maybe understand just a little bit that you can't control whose hands your music falls into but you can control the music before it's even output out of your mouth or pen so that's where the responsibility begins... -
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Permalink Reply by ALICIA S. SMITH on
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Oh yeah... I agree with you Mario! Very true points!
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Permalink Reply by ALICIA S. SMITH on
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lol... boiiiiii don't worry about your age... embrace it!!! Now go ahead and load that "lil bow wow" LOL
Mario J. Hassell said:I just wanted to thanks for the "totally"...haha!!! I'm looking for a new puzzle piece on YouTube but it all tells my age...lol...I'm a lil young'n... -
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Permalink Reply by ALICIA S. SMITH on
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lol... not all of them Mario... lol
Mario J. Hassell said:and the original crews were known not only for their raps but their...(OH NO, HE'S GONNA SAY IT!!!!)...dance routines!!! haha! -
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Permalink Reply by Thedy B on -
Jack, I try to tell some of the folks who are die hard hip hop fans that music is an expression and that it embodies a lot of different things to different ppl. Unfortunately what has happened is that there is too much of one type expression and not enough variety; thus the outcries of those who want to hear music that expresses their beliefs, their views, their world, and their life. Surely I don't want music that is supposed to be representative of me as an African-American to remain stereotypical and therefore reinforce those negative images that we are constantly fed by the media. Images through the media, or hip hop which thereby causes our young men and women to emulate and then become targets of either stereotypes, targets of misconceived notions, targets because they are now feared rather than understood. Surely I'd want those in pain to express that and not hide behind a facade of positivity to pretend everything is everything. Yet, whether it's hip hop or gospel, one type expression does not solely represent the diverse group that we are as a society.
Yet, I've also said that some folks need to chill out! No matter how many prior "Souljah Boy" type videos that I have tried to show my conscious brothers and sistas, they have still rejected this new era of dance music type rap. But it's been around for yay-ahs (:-) That music to me should help us lighten up some. Yet I do understand that some of the hidden messages that are included in rap can still be too impressionable for kids and teens. I was shocked one day on my way to work to hear a major ATL radio station play a hip hop song in which part of the hook was Pop that P and the word was not bleeped out.
I think we have to take social responsibility for our music while yet learning to enjoy music that's not always meant to make you think. -
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Permalink Reply by Jonathan S. Beatty on -
First of all there is a distinction in Rap and Hip-Hop. Rap is just that rapping over a beat. Hip-Hop is a movement and thus it is a lifestyle. Vanilla Ice was a rapper. He is done now and doing MotoX. LL, Slick Rick, KRS 1,...these guys and more are Hip-Hop Artists. They live for this thing. It isn't just a hobby for them. Now, when you introduce Conscious, you are speaking of artists that want to change the thought process of the masses in a positive or spiritual way. Yes, they are still Hip-hop Artists but they speak about more than their personal wealth or style. Hip-Hop has lost its way because it is all about sales now days. Where is the battle of words and contrasting styles. I wish I could look at the word count of the old versus the new. Its all about a hook and that is what is happening to R&B as well. Why is a song not complete if it doesn't have a tight hook. How about the lyrics are so deep and real, you just may have experienced that same thing or know someone who has. I say, let the music speak for itself. Rap, Hip-Hop, R&B...its all expression! Different folks express differently. Lets forget about the money sometimes and give listeners a chance to be emotionally moved or swept away (that one was for the labels...they pretty much dictate what we hear by their approval and submittal).
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Permalink Reply by The Product on -
I think its all about perception and the times. There are not that many gangsta rappers out there anymore because nobody cares right now. Right now we in the vanity faze of hip~hop. how much money, cars and jewelry does one have. Let rappers tell it, everyday is a sunny afternoon on the beach with money and women falling from the sky. Its getting so bad that even our R&B dudes are singing about the same thing.I'm not rich, but I'm not broke enough to fantasize about money all day. This too is a faze, and maybe conscious rap will make a strong comeback, not that I want to hear that all day neither. But at least it will let me know that the mass listeners are evolving. Because if people stop buying a certain brand, it leaves room for something new. I personally don't care if it's vane, gangster, or conscious, just make it interesting and try to be your self. ~1
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